Churches and campus ministries Part 1

February 25, 2012 I 30 Comments

I don’t believe in uni churches. I think there should be university
campus groups and there should be student-friendly churches. We work
very hard at establishing good relationships with local churches in
lots of ways.

Rather than a full treatment, let me give some of my random
reflections on church-campus group relations:

Part 1: to the Campus Group

  1. Although campus groups are sufficient to be a church, they are not therefore necessarily churches in the full sense. Part of making a church a fully distinct church is declaring it to be such. It needs to be publicly ordained just as much as elders of a church do.
  2. Over-communicate to local churches. Give them your plans and calendar well ahead of schedule. Pursue genuine relationships, not just to snatch students.
  3. Encourage students to become active members of local churches. Require membership of a local church where they are studying of all student leaders.
  4. Ask for students to seek pastoral references from all student leaders and MTS apprentices. Don’t just let them find out after the fact.
  5. Don’t use ‘campus ministry is such a great opportunity’ to steal all your students’ time. Have a lean schedule so they can also service at Sunday school teachers, musicians and beyond in their local churches. It really can sound smug and self-serving to always use the line ‘while you’re at uni you should give all your time to uni ministry’. Often it’s an excuse to cover lazy and bloated programming.
  6. Have tiers of involvement in the uni ministry, so that students who have heavy involvement in their local church can still be meaningfully a part of the campus group, without necessarily being a student leader.
  7. Don’t run a summer program and restrict the number of events and conference you run outside of semester time.
  8. Watch your staff:apprentice:student:church ratios so that you are not parasitic in your fundraising. Uni ministry naturally draws funds from wealthy uni graduates. Be careful you don’t add staff just because you can, absorbing more and more of the Christian dollar.
  9. Give the church the last word. If there is a choice between campus ministry and local church, local church wins. Local church exists by divine mandate, the campus group is a Christian enterprise.
  10. Be warm and generous to churches you have significant secondary theological differences with. Spend time with them and be respectful of them. Ask them for their prayer and support. Help where you can in good conscience, but don’t feel you have to make promises to them. It’s ok for the relationship to be a little bit asymmetrical.

Comments
Mikey Lynch
See Izaac's comments on this post here
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Sam C
Your points (and Izaac's) on church/campus tension and how to be a good "campus" group are really helpful. I don't think I thought through the tension well enough when I was on MTS and trying to persuade students to serve.

I'd be interested to hear more reflections on the pro's and con's of a Uni churches (I think you hint at the start there's more).
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Mikey Lynch
Glad you found it helpful, Sam.

Part 2 (on uni churches) and Part 3 (to churches) will be coming this week.
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Luke
Does fund raising / support need to a point? As a church how do we allocate our financial support of uni ministry? Is it mercenary of us to provide financial support because our students are part of the uni ministry? 

Thanks for the list, as a local church pastor it's good to know how the strategy behind the ministry so to speak. No doubt Part 3 will be instructive!
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Mikey Lynch
If you ONLY give to ministries that benefit your local church that would be a bit yuck.

But a bit of synergy makes sense I think.
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Russ
Having 'grown up' in a Unichurch and now working for AFES as a campus director where we don't have a Unichurch at present, I find this topic regularly tabled and not so easily one sided. AFES values local sensitivity and that means for us our context will shape the structures. Personally I struggle in our context of not selling campus ministry as your once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, and yet the reality is we will always be 'borrowing' students in this job. In any case agree parachurch must always work on its own self harder to make it a better servant, no matter what its local context. We have worked hard to network with local churches, with not overwhelmingly fruitful results, and one church we partner well with. My humble yet perhaps arrogant opinion: maybe student ministry is best done by having more pointed student-friendly churches planted next to uni campuses. Shocking I know since I work for AFES.
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Mikey Lynch
Don't fully follow your flow of thought, Russ.

In many areas where there aren't strong, student-friendly, ministry-minded, gospel-centred churches, AFES group (and local Christians struggle).

I think the creation of a uni church in those settings is on the right track, but is actually short-sighted. Why not create a good church, full-stop, that happens to be uni friendly. Such a church would be careful to:

- not to entangle the AFES work too closely with the church
- not be too demographically niche
- not assume sole responsibility for interacting with the campus, by try to set the example for other churches.

I raised this to Richard Wilson about Wagga: why did they separate Unichurch from morning church? Why not instead create a distinct AFES group and allow Unichurch and morning church to continue as a bigger, powerhouse church that worked in cooperation with the newly-created AFES group?
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Russ
Sorry, eating and typing and dumping thought. 

To clarify: I struggle with the idea of having parachurch campus groups at all, in contexts like ours, when it would be better to have Powerhouse Student Friendly Church next door with a campus team (the Americans do this well in some places). These are dark thoughts to have as an AFES Staffworker ;)
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Mikey Lynch
AAAAAAH NOW I'm with you.

Yes. I think with smaller unis and smaller towns, there is maybe no need for AFES staff. Yes. Agreed. Far better to just have good local churches.

Yes. Don't tell Richard.
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Russ
I'll keep it on the down low for a while, no public comments on people's blogs. Good tip! 
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Mikey Lynch
lol
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Dave
The "geographical" element is important. Students need a good reason to use the parachurch group rather than their own church. If they go to churches that don't suit their friends - then the parachurch is great. If they go to a church that is a long way from their friends - then the parachurch is great (e.g. big metropolitan areas).
But if their church is near by, and has good ways to help them evangelise their friends, then they're going to struggle to see the value of getting involved with the parachurch.
In such places, I reckon the parachurch might be better focusing on training students to be valuable church members for the rest of their lives. Usually something that their churches won't do very well.
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Mikey Lynch
Great comments, Dave.

Although, I would add that the campus group has an evangelistic luxury of:

1. Tapping into inter-church student tribes: you and you Christians mates from other churches can bring your mates to the campus group

2. Preaching at a tertiary level: a campus group can preach, long and deep.

3. Integrity: the campus group is a part of university community. It has been created for that very reason. It has a more genuine commitment to the university itself.
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Dave
Thanks Mike...
1. I like the idea of inter-church student tribes, but I'm not sure it should be a goal... is this really that important?
2. If a church has a congregation more aimed at students (like they might towards families) they can do this type of thing even better than a campus group ('cause they have more than 1hr at a time)
3. I'm not sure I understand... Why can't a unichurch be part of a university community? Unless you limit the meaning of "community" only to groups that are associated with the "official" student body. Can't a church congregation have a specific commitment to the good of a campus?
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Mikey Lynch
Loving the back-and-forth Dave, thanks!

1. It's not THE goal, but:
a) Networking benefits people in all sorts of ways, and uni is a unique time to encourage it.
b) Given the subcultural dimension of youth culture, being able to evangelism with other students who may share your subculture will help
c) the buzz of a big group will benefit all the students - whereas without a campus group, only the students from big churches enjoy that buzz
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Mikey Lynch
2. Sure. I wonder if 'even better' is quite true though, given that campus groups have more than just 1 hour lunch meetings (consider MYC for a start!)

You could say that a campus group has permission to go harder and deeper in this area, since it isn't as duty-bound to not leave anyone behind. There comes a point where a church must beware of being too exclusive of others.
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Mikey Lynch
3. Businesses can sponsor research projects at a university too. But it is more open to being (or being perceived to be) merely for your own benefit.

By contrast a distinct group set up uniquely for the uni is not as open to the charge of serving the interests of some outside group.

I would be equally suspect of a church based theological college or political lobby group or school.
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Dave
Cool. Yes, very helpful.
1. Yeah, they're ll really good reasons to get those tribes together. I especially like the buzz one. It might lend itself to less frequent events too? E.g. Having a BIG all-invite event every semester?

2. hmmm... we might just have to agree to have different opinions :)
Being able to preach long also means you can deal with big prickly issues. But in doing so, people will get offended and need to be followed up. The (supposed) holistic church should be better equipped to deal with the fall out of long and deep preaching. In other words, just as a longer bridge needs more supports, so does a longer sermon.

3. People will always throw mud, an I don't think many people would see the difference between a campus group and a unichurch. Crossing all the legal "T"s and dotting all the organisational "i"s won't stop people from saying the campus group is just serving an outside group "the church". All the legal stuff helps, but in the end, whether campus or church, they both need to be above reproach as much as possible, so that the mud won't stick.
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Mikey Lynch
1. Big all-invite events would be another way to do that, yes. Love the lateral thinking.

2. Like the bridge-supports analogy. That definitely underscores the value of having good local churches to back up and integrate the campus teaching :-)

3. It's not just about mud-slinging though. It's also about
a) conscience: having integrity for integrity's sake
b) long-term impact: there are, I suspect, long-term gains to be had in building a stand alone structure to minister to the uni, a structure that does not depend on one church. Moreover, I suspect each has its own trajectory, that will only be seen in the long-term.
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